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Nov 19, 2023

If what I’m trying to do with this podcast is:

  1. Go deep immediately without any fluff, and

  2. Help us all understand how purpose shows itself empirically, even when things look horribly gnarly, 


Then I give this conversation ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐.


It’s deep. It deals with horrible things (sexual trauma). It’s hopeful.


And Abby Carl is an absolute hero for turning all her experiences into something everybody who interacts with her can benefit from.


Check it out.


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Abby's Instagram: @growstrong_one

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Note: All my cameras flipped out during the recording of this in-person interview, so the last few minutes have no video. I didn’t feel like deep-faking the rest, so I threw an audiogram in there so you’d have something pretty to look at.



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*** About The Ten Thousand Heroes Show ***


Why are you here?

What is this short and fragile life about?


These questions have easy answers in traditional cultures. You listen to the myths and stories of your elders and nod along.

But once we’re exposed to the chaos and diversity of the larger world (#thanksglobalization), the simple narratives of our ancestors suddenly seem silly and unattractive.


Rationality leads us into a desert of meaning.

But it turns out that we left something important behind: Purpose.


The Ten Thousand Heroes Show aims to restore our collective sense of meaning and fulfillment through demystifying purpose.


We present empirical techniques and rational arguments for taking Purpose seriously, while leaving room for fun and mystery.


And we interview inspiring humans along the way, each of whom has a clear sense of Purpose, and whose sense of Purpose has allowed their success.


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The Ten Thousand Heroes Show is brought to you by Momentum Lab.

I normally refer to Momentum Lab as an experiment-based coaching program or a goal accelerator.

But it’s beyond that. It’s a deep investigation into Purpose, Vision, and what it takes to achieve our goals in every area of life.

If you’re interested in falling in love with who you are, what you’re doing, or what you’re surrounded with, there’s two roads:

  1. Accepting what is

  2. Transforming your situation

We help you do both.


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